cleaning up after grief

[1mgc1]

cleaning up after a griefer is almost as important as catching them:
- it makes it easier to catch new griefers
- it improves the environment for guests that want to build
- it improves community quality by showing what is not tolerated
- main requires fewer whipes

i suggest that the protocol after u catch the griefer should be to find his oldest grief and ask an op to undo it.. this takes a minute tops if every1 cooperates..

if u want to see the difference between undoing grief and not undoing grief, compare a main i didnt patrol to a main i did patrol..

[Sanjar Khan]

[DreamingInsane]

Wut?

[xN8Gx]

This thread is as arrogant as it is useless.

[Sanjar Khan]

Now now, I'm sure his intentions are noble. He just doesn't realize that only staffmembers really frequent this forum.

[xN8Gx]

if u want to see the difference between undoing grief and not undoing grief, compare a main i didnt patrol to a main i did patrol..

This was a smidge arrogant. I get that he's trying to encourage op+ to /undox and /ua more, but that last part didn't help his suggestion.

[Allie]

I thought we all had gotten into the habit of /undoxing grief by now anyway, no?

[cdferg]

What he fails to realize is that most Ops+ always do /undox. Plus, it's not like cleaning up after grief is a new thing. We've been doing it even before /undox....

[Sanjar Khan]

We've been doing it even before /undox....

What cdferg doesn't realize, is that we've only existed for as long as 1mgc1 has been aware of fcraft.

[1mgc1]

hey, dont shoot the arrogant bastard of a messenger pls..
this message is indd mainly directed to my fellow vets (who may or may not visit the forum)

fact is that its hard to find a build in main thats not full of holes when i dont personally undo grief or ask an op to do it.. theres blockspam, random holes and towers everywhere, eating up buildingspace and signalling every griefer this place is "worth" griefing.. having a messy main also makes it harder to detect griefers from a far..

i realize im being an arrogant whining perfectionist, but we could make fcraft main the place to be for real mc'ers who want to become part of our community and maybe even get fcraft back on the first page by encouraging the "right" crowd by repairing the damage done by the "wrong" crowd on a more regular basis.. im NOT saying nobody repairs damage already, but i AM seeing many holes that rnt windows..

[McLaughlinKid]

As a vet I would like to say that is a bit arrogant. Many of us fix grief we find. We fix it or ask op+ to undo. You are not the only one that does that.

[1mgc1]

allow me to quote myself:

im NOT saying nobody repairs damage already, but i AM seeing many holes that rnt windows..

[Darklight]

im NOT saying nobody repairs damage already, but i AM seeing many holes that rnt windows..

Yep, let's all focus on repairing the grief on the server instead of getting rid of the griefers. You fail to recognize that with a full server, it's pretty much impossible to do both because there is ALWAYS people griefing. We undox people but there is always more to take their place and people who go around un-watched because everyone is busy. If you think you have a better method than what we already do, please feel free to share it.

[1mgc1]

i guess ill just quote myself again:

cleaning up after a griefer is almost as important as catching them:

u see? i didnt fail to recognize the importance of catching griefers over repairing their grief.. in fact it was in the very first line..

i dont know about better methods of catching griefers (from a far), but in the few days ive been patrolling ive kicked over 60 of them.. another thing.. i dont know if uve been paying attention to how main looked in the past week, but if u have, u may have spotted the difference..

if u havnt, u prolly wont, as im now a mason and cant really patrol anymore..

[Allie]

There shouldn't be any argument about this. When a staff member finds someone causing grief, this is what should be done:

1) Freeze the offender
2) Warn the offender
3) /undox their grief
4) Bring them back to spawn
5) Unfreeze them and spectate them for a bit

If they continue, you simply kick them and /undox all of their grief again. This leaves little room for any actual damage.

To be frank, I'm fairly sure about 99% of our staff does this or something like this already.

[1mgc1]

the reason this thread xists is because im annoyed by large amounts of visible grief in main..
all im saying is; we can do better..
the protocol is not what the argument is about

[cdferg]

There will always be grief, and that is something that we'll have to deal with. We do the best we can. Some days the grief will be more visible, others it won't. Some days there will be more moderators online, others there won't. The day we are 100% grief free with 50+ guests running around will be the same day hell freezes over.

[Darklight]

i dont know if uve been paying attention to how main looked in the past week, but if u have, u may have spotted the difference..

if u havnt, u prolly wont, as im now a mason and cant really patrol anymore..

No, I haven't noticed because main always looks shit, regardless of who's on. And the last sentence sums up every arrogant thing you've bothered to say in this thread.

Now that youre mason, you can go around and fix up the grief that annoys you so much without having to bother with the griefers. Problem = solved.

[1mgc1]

No, I haven't noticed because main always looks shit, regardless of who's on.

what, my word not good enough for u? i dont care if u think im arrogant, i know im arrogant.

Now that youre mason, you can go around and fix up the grief that annoys you so much without having to bother with the griefers. Problem = solved.

ive got undox now? cool!

There will always be grief, and that is something that we'll have to deal with. We do the best we can.

good, i know its not easy to repair most damage and pretty much impossible to fix all damage.

[cdferg]

Nope, you don't have /undox.

[lucky_pierre]

im arrogant.

[Intertoothh]

Hold your horses!

He is right, and i'm not only using undox for it, becouse loads is hours ago, and i only use it within mins.

So a /c wood a wall once a while, or a /r air grass is good!

So yeah! Keeping main clean, gives more room for guests and less excuses for griefers.
AND you will spot them faster!
(i use /whodid alot on griefed parts, most is then hours ago, if we can keep main neat, its should be mins ago.)

Not all houses are even close to be repaired. if its griefed to bits, i leave it.
But if its just a wall, or a ground thats griefed, please use a /c as well, even tho you did not catch that griefer.

[Sanjar Khan]

So a /c wood a wall once a while, or a /r air grass is good!

/r air dirt grass

[Darklight]

Hold your horses!
He is right, and i'm not only using undox for it, becouse loads is hours ago, and i only use it within mins.

/undoarea solves the hours problem. You dont have to worry about undoxing anything substantial thats actually been built by them.

[Ollieboy]

I just had a read of this again and I will bump it so everyone can have a good laugh again.

And remember kiddies, he got banned because he thought I was arrogant, and should have gotten banned instead of him.

[xN8Gx]

This one was fun, but I like the one where he started asking for the rank combining mason and op more. Btw still waiting for that combination of guest and owner...

[JustOnePanda]

Hehe I remember him, it's been a while since something actually reminded me why he got banned in the first place wasn't he considered a god among the vets?

[Ollieboy]

wasn't he considered a god among the vets?

Well, yes, but he was the one who considered him that.