Communist Symbol Debate

[Hafnium]

Communism has started EVERY war the United States has been in, and both World Wars. This has killed millions of more people than Nazism ever did.

The USA started every war the USA has been in, with the exception of, you know, the two world ones. Communism was an excuse for the Korea and Vietnam wars.

The wars weren't the worst parts of communism though! Stalin executed more political enemies than Hitler did jews/gays.

The hammer and sickle represent an ideology. The swastika represents white-protestant power. If anyone starts deleting them, I'll be beating people up.

By the way, communism IS feasible, just not on the scale of a nation.

35th smartest kid in Britain, and I pay attention to the news.

I bet you sail around the world in an oil tanker selling Aston Martins as well.

Can we ban peace signs while we're at it?
That shit's annoying.

Also every nation's flag, we can't have double standards.

In summation, the only banned builds are swastikas, and genitalia when not on nsfw.

[Lim-Dul]

Uuuuuhm... Communism started the two World Wars? Missed that one... Man, someone needs to pick up some history lessons. ;-)

[Cartoonman]

The politically controversial nature of the topic is derailing this thread. Next, we'll have an argument over what was the role of communism in WWII.

Lets just say that Communism is a good idea but a failed concept in many aspects. It is inevitable for power to be concentrated on a group of people, whether in a socialist or private enterprise system. However, that has nothing to degrade the Hammer and Sickle. As Wikipedia sum up rather nicely,

The two tools are symbols of the industrial proletariat and the peasantry; placing them together symbolizes the unity between industrial and agricultural workers.

Thus, the actions based off of such governments did not lay within the doctrine of Communism, but more of the Totalitarianism Regimes that adopted this type of government 'on paper'.



In sum, i do not support the banning of the Hammer and Sickle.

[KingCrab]

The USA started every war the USA has been in, with the exception of, you know, the two world ones. Communism was an excuse for the Korea and Vietnam wars.

Actually in Korea, the United States was forced to act due to its agreement to support any UN decisions. Therefore, unless the US wanted to break that contract and alliance with UN, they had to send troops.

If I remember correctly, the United States Government never officially declared war on Vietnam. They sent troops, but a vote was never taken in Congress to go to war. So it wasn't a war but a conflict. :3

As for the battle on terrorism and sending troops to Iraq, would YOU stand by if thousands of your citizens were killed by a terrorist group being supported in the very area that hates you so?

[Lim-Dul]

The USA started every war the USA has been in, with the exception of, you know, the two world ones. Communism was an excuse for the Korea and Vietnam wars.

Actually in Korea, the United States was forced to act due to its agreement to support any UN decisions. Therefore, unless the US wanted to break that contract and alliance with UN, they had to send troops.

If I remember correctly, the United States Government never officially declared war on Vietnam. They sent troops, but a vote was never taken in Congress to go to war. So it wasn't a war but a conflict. :3

As for the battle on terrorism and sending troops to Iraq, would YOU stand by if thousands of your citizens were killed by a terrorist group being supported in the very area that hates you so?

The terrorist group was from Afghanistan, not from Iraq and the US supported Saddam Hussein as the Iraqi head of state themselves - as long as he was useful that is.
For some "strange" reason the number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq was directly proportional to the respective country's oil reserves. ;-)

The pretext to invade Iraq were weapons of mass destruction - and we all know how this turned out. The $1.000.000.000.000+ (yes, you are reading the number of zeros right) dollars invested into military equipment have to be put to use somehow, amirite?
Oh noes - our economy is failing - how will we be able to afford public health care!? I think the above figure might give you some hints on that. Or we'll shut down the NASA space program instead! America, fuck yeah! ;-)

P.S. Let's not forget that you can't wage "war on terrorism" - not with the military at least - it just sounds good in the media.
Terrorism is not a person or country - it's a way to fight your enemy using guerrilla tactics using a very small amount of troops to inflict a high number of casualties to instill fear - you can't meet "terrorism" in open field and you can't really eliminate it by invading a country unless you literally kill every single man, woman and child living in it.

P.P.S. Oh, right, Vietnam - in this regard TraeWallace and Hafnium were right - the US stepped in because the Soviet Union was supporting the Vietcong and it wasn't a war AGAINST Vietnam - they were supporting Vietnamese troops after all (the non-communist ones).
The decision to intervene rested on the US alone though, mainly to flex their Cold War muscles. Declaration of war or not. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt since we don't know what would have happened if communism was allowed to spread through Vietnam.

[KingCrab]

you can't meet "terrorism" in open field and you can't really eliminate it by invading a country unless you literally kill every single man, woman and child living in it.

[barrowboyjames]

35th smartest kid in Britain, and I pay attention to the news.

I bet you sail around the world in an oil tanker selling Aston Martins as well.

No. I'm just like any other thank you very much... but thanks for insulting me you jerk!

[Sanjar Khan]

Isn't it funny how the job of luxurious car salesman has become an insult here?

[Cartoonman]

This is what happens when you make generalized comments without realizing what connotations you're placing your context with.

..and now the thread derail'd into the trigger-happiness of the USASR USA.
to sum this up, lets say that the US often gets itself involved in conflicts that it really shouldn't be in. (kinda like butting into threads when the convo doesn't include you. :L).



Mainly recently has the US been stretching itself beyond it's capable borders.

And to think that the US back in the early 40's wanted to be neutral to the conflict in Europe. hardy har harr



And on a side note, the 'rational' for terrorists to target europe and the US is of a 'historical' one, dating back to the end of WWI, where, i think France and England partition'd the middle east and attempted to imperialize it due to the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the war.

Cuz of this, those that lived there were all tight about being forced to live under the rule of the Europeans. They wanted to keep their old way of life, and they wanted to be independent. both things the Europeans did not want. Them britans also irritated the palistinians by supporting the Zionist movement into present day Israel. They also, to support the movement, conquered Palistine, effectively bringing the nation under British rule. later on, with the UN, the land will be officially divided into one jewish nation, Israel, and one arab nation, Jordan.

This (along with other factors, including religious) is considered to be what fueled the terrorist movement against Western nations in the later years.

[Sanjar Khan]

Fascinating.

[Smokeybacon]

Pointless discussion is pointless. Why was it even started? We ban people making swastikas and nazi references because 99.9% of the time they are doing them as a form of trolling other players, since they know many people will take offence to them. Maybe certain people don't like communism as well. But the communist symbol is not often used as a form of trolling. If it was, it'd be bannable too. Simple.

[fragmer]

I am tempted to put this thread out of its misery. Please stick to discussion of whether the hammer and sickle symbol should be bannable. If you want to argue about communism/capitalism/etc in general, make a new thread

[barrowboyjames]

No, should not be banned.

[Pemalite]

Only reason people do it is to troll. That is it. If you don't feed the trolls then they won't troll. Just keep the Swastika banned and leave the rest alone in my opinion.

If it gets spammy... Like all around the map then sure, I see a point in removing it.

[Ollieboy]

How the fuck...

I leave for 4 days and this shit happens. What the fuck? I can't do anything fun around here...

I'm not even going to bother reading this shit, so I have no idea if this has already been said or not, but;

Swastikas are banned because they are infamously associated with griefing. If a communist symbol was used by every other 12 year old tough guy who thinks drawing one would get him laid rebel-style by all the pixel bitches, then THAT would be an instant ban as well. We aren't a sheltered server, and the reason behind the swastika ban is a grey area. Swastikas are related but not dependent on our 0 tolerance for directed hate rule (be it racist, sexism or whatever else ism that people like to push our admins with).

And no, for the hundredth time, this isn't up for discussion. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.